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CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DOWNEY
SPECIAL MEETING
JULY 17, 2013
The City Council of the City of Downey held a Special Meeting at 2:15 p.m., July 17, 2013, in the
Second Floor Training Room of Downey City Hall, 11111 Brookshire Avenue, Downey, California, Mayor
Guerra presiding.
PRESENT: Council Members:
Mario A. Guerra Mayor
Fernando Vasquez Mayor Pro Tem
Roger C. Brossmer Excused
Luis H. Marquez Excused
Alex Saab
ALSO PRESENT: Gilbert Lives, City Manager
John Oskoui, Assistant City Manager /City Treasurer
Adria M. Jimenez, CMC City Clerk
Edwin Norris, Deputy Director of Public Works
Desi Gutierrez, Senior Civil Engineer
Dave Butler, Consultant
NON - AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT
Mayor Guerra opened public comment. Having no one come forward, public comment was closed.
1. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM (PMIS):
Public Works.
City Manager Lives began by stating that during the Budget Workshop the City Council requested
staff conduct a review of the pavement management program. The City's consultant is here today to
review the Pavement Management Information System (PMTS) with the Council.
Dave Butler, Manager of Engineering Services of Infrastructure Management Services (IMS),
provided background information on his company, noting the company handles pavement management
on a national and international level. He provided an outline of the meeting's topics: Downey
Transportation Network, Street Pavement 101, and Pavement Management Information
System /Analysis. Mr. Butler advised that Downey's network of streets is comprised of principal arterials,
minor arterials and collector streets. The remainder made up of residential and frontage roads such as
alleys.
Council Member Saab asked Mr. Butler to define frontage roads.
Mr. Butler advised frontage roads run parallel to either a freeway or major arterial; they do not flow
onto a major roadway.
Mayor Pro Tern Vasquez asked if the PMTS tracks right -of -ways.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui advised right -of -way is defined as City's property line to property line
along a roadway which typically includes sidewalk, parkway, curb and gutter, and the roadway.
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Mayor Pro Tem Vasquez clarified his question and asked how does the City track roots of trees that
are damaging the public right of way.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui advised damages caused by tree roots are tracked separately; not
with the PMTS.
A question was raised about the funding mechanism used for repaving streets. Assistant City
Manager Oskoui explained the City's funding sources: Prop C Funds can be used only on public transit
routes; STPL can only be used for Federal Aide Routes; and, Gas Tax is allocated for pavement
rehabilitation.
Mayor Guerra asked what is a Federal Aide Route.
I a Federal Aide Route is designated by the Federal
Government, is an arterial and collector street, and is based on
Avenue is considered a Federal Aide Route.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui advised residential streets do not qualify as Federal Aide Routes.
Mayor Pro Tern Vasquez asked if the City can bond this funding.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated Measure R has a sunset clause, and bonding will be
addressed later in this presentation.
Mr. Butler reviewed Pavement 101, noting all pavement is made up of native soil layer and
depending on where the City is located, not all soil is the same; some is stronger than others. The
foundation layer is enhanced with further compaction and stabilizing agents, and the next layer is well -
graded crunched aggregated material to provide additional strength and drainage. Then a base
pavement layer is applied over the aggregate layer, and then the asphalt pavement cap is applied.
Mayor Guerra asked what grade is Downey's soil.
Mr. Butler stated the grade of Downey ranges dependent upon the location within the City.
Mr. Butler reviewed pictures of the different types of concrete pavements in the City. He showed a
picture of street surfaces on Firestone and Old River School Road. He noted that the streets are made
up of native soil, enhanced compacted and dried out, and a concrete layer.
Council Member Saab confirmed there was no asphalt layer on the surface.
Mr. Butler stated the pavement cross sections are called macadam layers which is a type of
pavement no longer built because it is not cost - effective.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui noted that a number of cities used macadam extensively in the past,
and many of the residential streets still have macadam layers.
Mr. Butler reviewed pictures showing distressed pavements, pavements with alligator cracking and
concrete pavement with moderate to severe cracking.
Mayor Guerra stated that the pavement on Imperial Highway is approximately three to fouryears old.
He has noticed that there is a line down the middle of the street where the pavement is already splitting
and weeds are growing out. He asked why does this happen.
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Desi Gutierrez, Senior Civil Engineer, explained that the referenced project did not involve roadway
pavement reconstruction. The project included construction of landscaped median islands. typically
while constructing medians. The line is a cold joint where the pavement was cut for the purpose of
constructing the median islands curb.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui advised the City did repave portions of Imperial Highway which were
asphalt pavement, but the portions that were concrete pavement, the City did not resurface, however;
the median islands were added.
Mayor Guerra stated that it is already splitting and it is only four to five years old. He asked what is
the life span, what are we going to do about it, and how do we avoid that in the future.
Mr. Gutierrez stated that concrete streets, because of contraction and expansion, sometimes
develop cracks.
Mayor Guerra asked how the City chooses concrete versus asphalt.
Mr. Gutierrez stated currently the City uses asphalt. Ideally, the City would use concrete streets but
it is cost - prohibitive; however, concrete pavements less maintenance and last longer.
Mr. Butler answered questions regarding the photos in his presentation. He described techniques to
repair streets, including residential streets, materials used for repair, and subgrade materials. He stated
sometimes street damage is due to subgrade failure: something that has happened underground, such
as a compaction problem.
Council Member Saab asked if there is a warranty on the material and has the City ever considered
that the material could be faulty.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui explained that the material has to be certified, and the inspector's job
is to ascertain that the appropriate material is being utilized. Typically, failures are because of faulty
workmanship or pavement subsurface conditions, such as failing base due to a leaky water pipe.
Mayor Guerra asked if there is a construction warranty time period for streets.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated there is a one year construction warranty for street pavement
projects.
Council Member Saab asked if the City conducts quality control on the piping before repaving.
Mr. Gutierrez advised that in addition to the materials testing, a soils lab comes out and tests the
subgrade.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated three years ago the City started replacing the infrastructure
(including water lines) prior to major roadway reconstruction.
Mayor Pro Tern Vasquez asked if the City issues a moratorium on newly repaved streets.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated yes there is a three year moratorium in place.
Mr. Butler continued reviewing the photos in the presentation. In one photo he identified longitudinal
cracking. He stated if that distress was caused by traffic, the cracking would be a little farther over;
however, many times the longitudinal cracking can progress.
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Council Member Saab asked if this type of cracking is associated with larger trucks, for example
those leaving the Coca -Cola plant.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated that the City designs for those types of uses taking into
consideration the traffic. However, if the street is not designed properly and there is a lot more traffic
than anticipated there will be a premature failure of the pavement.
Council Member Saab asked if other Cities hold the company accountable for the amount of traffic
or trucks tonnage, or the amount of time trucks can be on City streets.
Mr. Butler advised that the City of Downey is built on a grid system, and when the arterial streets are
busy there is a tendency for trucks to get off of those streets and travel on side streets, which puts a lot
of loads on those streets.
Mayor Pro Tern Vasquez asked if alternatives are allowed for soil compactions.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated yes, generally the report provides for alternative methods of
construction. Sometimes they recommend full -depth asphalt instead of asphalt on base.
Mr. Butler reviewed photos of block cracking that forms in shapes of rectangles. This is common
when a stabilizing agent is used in the subgrade. Those agents tend to shrink and that is what causes
the cracking. Transverse cracks are fairly normal and not necessarily load related. Often the pavement
tends to shrink as it has been laid and when it cools off the cracks form. Mr. Butler advised that
pavements also become distressed due to water deterioration and then the surface becomes gravel.
Mayor Guerra asked how should that be fixed.
Mr. Butler stated in that particular case, the solution would be to redesign the street so there is better
drainage.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui further explained that what happened was that the concrete cracked
and water got into the crack which dislocated the concrete gutter. Then, more water was trapped and
got underneath the asphalt and loosened up the base material. Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated
that he would place a clean joint concrete, upstream downstream, and replace the entire length of
damaged concrete curb and gutter.
Mayor Pro Tem Vasquez stated that he receives calls from concerned residents and asked if that is
the only option to repair the curb and gutter.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated approximately two to three years ago the City decided to
methodically schedule the repairs and initiated the annual concrete improvement program. Every year
the City sets aside approximately $300,000 to $400,000 for that purpose.
Mayor Guerra asked how the City conducts preventative maintenance and is there someone who is
reviewing the entire City to find areas that need repaving.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated if it is a major issue that is a safety problem the City
immediately addresses it. What the City tries to do is capture the majority through a cyclical program so
the City the work can be completed in a methodical way. The City creates a database from the
complaints received and observations made by either the City crews or inspectors.
Mayor Guerra asked if the City is aware of a location that is not on the current cycle and needs
repair, can that location be considered.
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City Manager Lives stated yes. If the City is repairing streets in a certain area, but there is a needed
repair in another area, the City will do the repair.
City Manager Lives stated that during the contract process the City will know, through the prioritized
list, that there is a need in another area.
Mayor Guerra asked if it is possible to address emergency issues, for example a large pot hole
created by rain.
City Manager Lives advised the Council that emergency issues are handled immediately and as the
City cycles through the system a couple of times, the City receives less complaints.
Mayor Guerra referred to a picture in the slide show with a pot hole and asked how the City could fix
that.
Mr. Lives stated the City would patch the hole in the street.
Mr. Gutierrez explained that it looks like a cut was done and a utility was placed underneath.
Mr. Butler continued showing pictures of tree roots uplifting the sidewalks and streets.
Mayor Pro Tern Vasquez asked if the City has landscaping requirements for public right -of -way
maintenance so tree roots do not damage the pavement.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated that it appears that the City of Downey did not have a good
program on planting trees in the public right -of -way; however, recently, specific guidelines have been put
in place to address that problem.
Mayor Guerra stated there are a lot of complaints due to trees. He pointed to an example in the
presentation of an older tree. He stated he receives complaints from neighbors concerned about the
tree falling and the roots lifting the pavement. However, he will also receive concerns that the City is
removing a 50 -year old tree. He asked how the City handles those situations.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated that in one case where the City in response to citizen's
complaints and excessive damages due to tree roots decide to remove the trees before starting the
work staff set up meetings with the impacted neighbors to discuss the project, present alternatives and
seek consensus.
Mayor Pro Tern Vasquez asked how much will it cost to remove the tree and repair the street and
sidewalk along Muller Street between Pangborn Avenue and Lesterford Avenue.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated that the approximate cost is $250,000 to remove and replant
25 trees and repair the streets and sidewalks.
Mayor Pro Tem Vasquez asked about future plans for the repaving of Lakewood Blvd.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui advised that the City must wait for the utilities to be installed
underground prior to repaving the road however, the City is looking in other options to expedite the
project.
Mayor Guerra asked during the meantime, what can the City do to make this street better until the
utility companies complete their work.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui advised that the City will continue to maintain the street.
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Mayor Pro Tem Vasquez asked if the City were to bond any of the streets would that allow the
project to be completed quicker.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui provided information on financing, how much funding the City has,
what is going to happen if the City maintains at the same level of funding, and what are some of the
City's options, will be discussed at the end of the presentation.
Mr. Butler continued reviewing the presentation on the life span of street pavement.
Council Member Saab asked if the City maintains an index system on the history of roads, a system
that details what work has been done.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated there is no digitized system in place. It is a huge endeavor
and currently there is a lack of resources prohibiting the City from maintaining such a database.
Mr. Butler reviewed the PMIS and analysis techniques Infrastructure Management Services uses.
He advised that Infrastructure Management Services was hired to conduct a pavement survey in
Downey, which is their main line of business.
Mayor Guerra asked how Downey's pavement score compared with other cities in the area.
Mr. Butler advised the City of Downey's street received a 71.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated most streets in Los Angeles County receive an average of a
letter grade D; in Orange County most streets receive a letter grade of a C. He stated there is just not
enough money being allocated to fix streets.
RECESS /RECONVENE
Mayor Guerra recessed the meeting at 3:36 p.m.
Mayor Guerra reconvened the meeting at 3:45 p.m., with Council Member Saab, Mayor Pro Tern
Vasquez and Mayor Guerra present. Council Members Brossmer and Marquez were excused.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui advised slurry seal is a maintenance strategy to prolong the life of
the pavement.
Mayor Pro Tern Vasquez asked if the City maintains history on street evaluations.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated the City does not maintain any history on street evaluations.
Mr. Gutierrez advised previously street evaluations manually were conducted by observation and
noted.
Mr. Butler reviewed how IMS evaluates streets. He stated IMS finds the best strategy and analyzes
the information based on the existing conditions of the streets; it is a mechanistic approach, basing
everything on the test of the pavement on what exist today. He stated it is more reliable than having to
go back in time and figure out what was done.
Mayor Guerra stated he would prefer to fix the top surface of the street.
Mr. Butler advised the job is trying to catch those types of street issues before they get to that point.
The top layer can be taken off and that can be effective; and, sometimes you can save money by not
having to go back and reconstruct the streets completely.
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Council Member Saab asked if the streets deteriorate due to the amount of traffic.
Mr. Butler stated residential streets typically do not deteriorate because there is a lot of traffic.
Weather conditions could affect the pavement conditions and contribute to street deterioration.
Mayor Guerra asked how the City chooses the streets its planning on repaving this year. He asked
if the plan can change as priorities change.
City Manager Livas provided the following example: if one particular street is in such bad shape that
the only way to repair the street is spend the money and do a full reconstruction and increase the
lifespan of that street, compared with a street you spend money on to patch or optimize the street to
stretch the lifespan. If the street is that bad, the City would rather spend the money and do a full
reconstruction.
Mayor Guerra, as an example, stated that the City's choices are to either rehabilitate the five streets
or conduct preventative maintenance on 20 streets. However, what if five of those streets absolutely
need to be repaved now.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated every time a street scheduled for re- pavement is traded for
another street, it becomes difficult for the City to maintain the system at an optimal level. If something is
traded off, it negatively impacts the entire system.
Mayor Guerra asked how the City is addressing the streets that have been bad for five years or
more. He asked if it is a policy decision; the City Council needs to prioritize.
City Manager Livas stated the City Council can make a policy decision and prioritize. Today's
presentation was for City Council information.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui advised that for eight years, the City did not slurry seal any streets. It
was not necessarily the engineer's fault. The Council was presented projects to vote upon, but there
was never a plan presented to the City Council.
Mayor Guerra stated that was his frustration: the City Council did not vote on a plan.
Mr. Butler reviewed his presentation and scenarios on what would happen if the City did not spend
any money on repaving. He reviewed the funding mechanisms for the City.
Mayor Pro Tern Vasquez asked if the $20 million for the bridge reconstruction does not impact this
budget.
Mr. Livas stated $20 million is to do repair and reconstruction of two of the City's bridges.
Mayor Guerra asked what is the $20 million in the budget for.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated that it includes $5 million for Firestone and approximately
$1.2 million of the $5 million is for rehabilitation of the pavement.
Council Member Saab confirmed that is not for rehabilitation of the streets; it does include some
sidewalks, curb & gutter, etc.
Mayor Pro Tern Vasquez asked for information on funding mechanisms to complete the necessary
street reconstruction, more specifically about bonding.
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Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated he spoke with a financial consultant about the possibility of
leveraging the stream of income the City currently has and see how much money the City can obtain up
front to take care of the street issues Unfortunately, the financing is not a solution. One City has floated
a bond and the City of La Mirada increased sales tax. The City of Bellflower and Lakewood used
General Funds and the City of Santa Ana has a Neighborhood Paving Program funded through their
general fund.
Mayor Guerra stated that the City should make the responsibilities for infrastructure of communities
a priority.
City Manager Livas stated the City hoped leveraging the income stream would help the issue;
however, it is not helpful.
Mayor Guerra stated the citizens should not pay for it out of general funds; it is more unpopular to
have the street conditions.
City Manager Livas stated deciding whether or not to place more money in Police, Parks and
Recreation or street repaving are hard decisions. The City has hired a consultant to help the City look
further for additional grant funds.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated the transit program has encroached into the City's Proposition
C Funds; that was stopped this year. The City is looking at all available options.
Mayor Guerra asked if 71 is still considered good, in relative terms.
Assistant City Manager Oskoui stated the same issues are happening in Cities around Downey.
Comparatively, Downey is not bad with 71; however, we do not want it to get worse.
City Manager Livas stated when this issue comes around again, staff will propose a plan to the City
Council for review and if at that time changes are made, it will be a policy decision by the City Council.
Mayor Guerra stated he does not want to vote on a repaving a street without staff advising where it
is in the plan. It is the responsibility of the elected officials. The City Council and staff need to keep
discussing it.
ADJOURNED at 4:33 p.m.
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MARIO A. GUERRA, Mayor